he seems to admit more recently that there might have been more plagiarism than he understood in Gay's case and that tribal feelings might have something to do with his initial (lukewarm) support for her keeping her job.
personally, I want her to go b/c I agree with Bill Ackman latest tweet. DEI and this oppressor/oppressed BS ideology are a blight on the Left and its intellectual traditions, its philosophies and political goals and they need to be eradicated.
So, there are two different questions intertwined here. On one level, I agree that the specific examples of texts Gay copied are not all that significant, mostly consisting of summaries of work by others rather than stolen arguments. That's a level of "plagiarism" that I think we could collectively lighten up a bit about-- a lot of the "self-plagiarism" charges leveled against Jonah Lehrer and some other folks at around the same time seem pretty silly to me.
At the same time, as I said in the piece, while I do not personally regard this sort of thing as all THAT big a deal, if I got a paper from an undergrad that had this level of text duplication, I would certainly have a conversation with them that would have the threat of serious sanctions hanging over it. A lot of my colleagues would not even cut them that much slack, but would proceed directly to prosecuting it as an honor code violation, where it would unquestionably lead to a significantly lower course grade for a first offense, and failure or suspension from the college if the student had a past record of academic honesty issues.
Similarly sloppy borrowing from sources cost Doris Kearns Goodwin a couple of plum positions, so it's not like this sort of thing had never been treated as a serious infraction before Chris Rufo wriggled onto the scene. I think it's not at all unreasonable to demand better of someone in a leadership role at the highest levels of US higher ed, and coming on the heels of the faceplant in front of Congress, it's definitely a lose-your-job offense.
back in the day i posted huge linkfests and linked to everything about the Lehrer affair and I can’t find a link to you so you probably bit your tongue and decided not to post anything.
I sort of think I wrote about it well after the key events, talking about the way the different responses reflected the different norms of scientists and journalists.
"Lehrer’s summaries of research were glib and oversimplified to the point of misrepresenting the actual state of research"
I thought that was all of pop-psych, and much of pop-science.
What's your reply to Drum's "this is exaggerated"? https://jabberwocking.com/most-plagiarism-is-a-nothingburger/
he seems to admit more recently that there might have been more plagiarism than he understood in Gay's case and that tribal feelings might have something to do with his initial (lukewarm) support for her keeping her job.
personally, I want her to go b/c I agree with Bill Ackman latest tweet. DEI and this oppressor/oppressed BS ideology are a blight on the Left and its intellectual traditions, its philosophies and political goals and they need to be eradicated.
So, there are two different questions intertwined here. On one level, I agree that the specific examples of texts Gay copied are not all that significant, mostly consisting of summaries of work by others rather than stolen arguments. That's a level of "plagiarism" that I think we could collectively lighten up a bit about-- a lot of the "self-plagiarism" charges leveled against Jonah Lehrer and some other folks at around the same time seem pretty silly to me.
At the same time, as I said in the piece, while I do not personally regard this sort of thing as all THAT big a deal, if I got a paper from an undergrad that had this level of text duplication, I would certainly have a conversation with them that would have the threat of serious sanctions hanging over it. A lot of my colleagues would not even cut them that much slack, but would proceed directly to prosecuting it as an honor code violation, where it would unquestionably lead to a significantly lower course grade for a first offense, and failure or suspension from the college if the student had a past record of academic honesty issues.
Similarly sloppy borrowing from sources cost Doris Kearns Goodwin a couple of plum positions, so it's not like this sort of thing had never been treated as a serious infraction before Chris Rufo wriggled onto the scene. I think it's not at all unreasonable to demand better of someone in a leadership role at the highest levels of US higher ed, and coming on the heels of the faceplant in front of Congress, it's definitely a lose-your-job offense.
back in the day i posted huge linkfests and linked to everything about the Lehrer affair and I can’t find a link to you so you probably bit your tongue and decided not to post anything.
I sort of think I wrote about it well after the key events, talking about the way the different responses reflected the different norms of scientists and journalists.
yeah, i probably wouldn’t link to it if it was later and not part of the avalanche