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Timothy Burke's avatar

I'll stick with replying here, though I see you have more on this theme up today. The odd thing to me on reading this is "wait, you have to be a fan OR think about something as culture? When did they establish that standard and why didn't I notice?"

If I posted up something that said "Well, you're either a fan of science-fiction or you just think about science-fiction as a type of culture to be studied sociologically and aesthetically from a detached position", I would like to think most people would say, "Wow, excluded middle much?"

Meaning, while I grant that there are people whose fandom for science fiction consciously and violently excludes any thinking about What It All Means or Why Do People Like This Stuff and I grant that there are people who say "I need to put on my lab coat and be an intellect vast and cool and unsympathetic and understand why anybody watches 'Star Wars' on Disney +", I don't think that describes most people's consumption of science fiction at all. People who watch it a lot or a little can hold their like (or dislike), their involvement or repulsion, at the same time that they wonder *about* science fiction, about why they themselves like or dislike it, why others do, and about what science fiction as a genre is all about, about what belongs in it, about why it's more popular in 2022 than it was in 1975, and so on.

Same goes for sports: I think your "I hate the sportsball but I must read about it because, sigh, I guess it matters due to those brutes who continually interfere with my cogitation" reader of the NYT is a pretty rare customer. Maybe you run into a higher number of them in academia, I guess, but even there, not so much. On the flip side, I have only met a few sports fans who absolutely do not want to ever talk about What It All Means or do not have views on the relationship between Sports and Society. I had a long talk the other day with a couple of strangers about why finding out that McGwire, Sosa and Bonds were all juiced had such a strong effect on my emotional attachment to baseball and even though everybody in the conversation counted themselves a baseball fan and had some different views on the issue, nobody said "oh shut up and just watch baseball, nerds".

I think if you look at the sports writers that everybody has loved over the years--who add value--you will find that virtually none of them are purely descriptive or just restrict themselves to the question of who ought to be the first-string quarterback this year. The best sports writing is also always about "what makes this sport great or beautiful or troubled or necessary or horrifying at time?" which in turn is also always about bigger issues than the sport itself. Which games are popular with which people and why? Who learns to play which sports in what contexts? I've heard plenty of fans talk ardently about those issues without them interrupting their fandom.

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Brian T's avatar

I'm pretty hardcore into traditional "nerd" (video games, programming, etc) circles, and I've actually noticed real improvement on this front in the last ten years ago. It's become far less fashionable to complain about people liking "sportsball" and suchlike.

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