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Tom Metcalf's avatar

There probably are fields where the alumni and social networks built up at Harvard, Yale, and perhaps a hundred other campuses really do matter for one's career prospects, but not in all fields, and more crucially, simply attending one of these schools does not automatically plug one in. I understand that the studies which show no benefit to the elite colleges are comparing students who almost got in to a particular institution to students who almost didn't get in, and finds that their outcomes are equivalent, and that there was no large benefit from the eliteness of the school itself. At least for such students on the margin. But what about the truly elite students? By continuing to attract the most talented, the elite schools can develop and maintain the coursework and programs in which the elite can thrive. There really isn't an equivalent of, e.g., Math 55 at Directional State. And this is why I don't really like the idea of the making admissions decisions more lottery-like (as I believe deBoer has suggested). Although my grad program mostly admitted from elite colleges, it dabbled with graduates from more ordinary colleges, which did not turn out so well. If you can offer a rigorous program in which elite students have been shown to thrive, is it always your responsibility to make it work for everyone? Some of the discourse seems to be arguing that way. But with other areas, athletics and music in particular, it seems we're fine with directing a larger share of resources to the elite performers. How far would one get arguing that the resources that go to improve the performance of elite D1 athletes would be better spent getting the mass of unathletic students into moderately better shape?

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Timothy Burke's avatar

One of the worst aspects of the elites' over-allocated space in the public conversation is the way that opponents of debt relief consciously and I think quite cynically use them to make the case against debt relief. This includes Biden and his Administration, who know better. The student debt that's a problem and a drag on an entire generation (or two) is not coming from the Ivies or elite SLACs. Student debt relief is not somehow giving a free ride to a kid who went to Harvard or Williams or Vanderbilt that the kid shouldn't get. Student debt is about people who went to HBCUs, to regional public universities, to small tuition-dependent non-selective SLACs with a mostly regional student body, to community colleges, to trade schools, and yes, to for-profits.

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